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Dang!! Now I know I didn't have much formal education but at least I
can read and comprehend things!!!!

I'll be 41 years old next month and have no interest in spending the
rest of my life trying to clue you in on things........so pay sum
danged attenshun!!

Now we'll got through this one last time and I sincerely hope you can
read and comprehend simple english. I've added colors to help separate
the different items, to make it easier on you to note them.

Lawrence Sampson wrote:
> It's not worth the time to cut and paste the insinuation that
Jason had offered to help, then but did
> nothing. But it was done, I have it saved, end of story.


It might not be worth YOUR time but it's worth mine to get this
through your head. You can do the surfing on eScribe to keep up and
find 'em yourself.....as you've been doing all along. LOL

The first post made about the woman needing help:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ndn-aim/message/61461

Candy wrote:

Survival is hard for people on and off the reservations there is a
woman in Houston right now who is in a lot of trouble. Her application
for disability has been denied for the second time. She can't go to
her own doctor so of course the state's doctor's reports are the only
ones that the board has to go by. She is facing eviction and has zip
for money.

How about all you Texas indians giving this woman a hand put you in
touch with her if you want.

Just because people aren't working doesn't mean that they won't work
or don't want to work. We never know when we might be in that
situation ourselves. You know where we have to ask for help from
other people. So.... don't ever think it can't happen to you cause it can.

Candy

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ndn-aim/message/61455 Jason's original offer:

Can you give me some info on this lady you speak of.
Maybe why her application was turned down if you know.
Also maybe how to get in touch with her?

Jason
SETAIM

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Dodie's comment:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ndn-aim/message/61461
Jason:
Didn't know if you were on line or not. You and Lawrence was who I was
going to contact.
Dodie

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Next comes Candy's question to those who wanted the woman's contact info:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ndn-aim/message/61852
A few days ago 3 of you asked about the Houston woman who is having a
lot of troubles right now. I sent her phone number and name to Terry
and Jason (SETAIM) I didn't send it to Dodie because of her post
saying that she was going to pass the info on to Jason anyway, The
lady hasn't heard from either of you. Are you planning on talking with
her?

Candy

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Someone else wrote to say in response to Chipps' comment:

> Why are you attacking? Usually one asks folks in a given area for help.
> She never "told" anyone to help, she "asked" for help. And she didn't ask
> why they weren't doing something, she asked if they were planning to talk to
> this woman. To most people that weren't looking for an argument, that would
> mean that is she got a "no" answer she would then go on and look for help
> somewhere else.

You claim an "insinuation" was made that Jason said he would help.
From what I can see (re: read), your CLAIM of "the insinuation that
Jason had offered to help, then but did nothing." is FALSE. Only those
few who can't read and comprehend written english seemed to
misunderstand and twist a simple question.

(see, reading and comprehension does help!!)

> Of course, I never said you made the insinuation, but you sure did
jump on it, eager to believe, or
> further the intent of the statement.


Now here, I'll simply copy and paste again from YOUR COMMENTS below to
again prove you WRONG!!

> Lawrence Sampson wrote:
>
> > After further review....
> >
> > Having spoken with Jason, it seems a little dishonesty was also at
work by you
<--and your nutty buddies..... blah, blah,
blah.......but point proven. You did refer to me (and my "buddies") as
being slightly dishonest for accusing Jason of saying he would help
when in fact, as proven above in the GREEN posts, we were only
referring to his implication that he would simply call.

Your bullshit is again proven to stink.

> Again, it's a shame you didn't have the intestinal fortitude to
pursue your little agenda while I was
> subscribed. Doing it in my absence shows you to be the coward you
are.


No one gives a rat's ass that you're there or not - most especially
me, I reckon. Actually, as you can see by the majority of the posts
made since you turned tail and ran after your "Pillsbury DoughBoy"
photo was posted AND after being questioned on why your children
aren't enrolled since you are.......as it makes no sense if you're the
great white...errr......"indian hope" you claim to be - you know, "rez
raised, enrolled, fluent in the language, etc., etc., etc."

Even if you were still on-list, your arrogance is only superceded by
your ignorance. I'd say it on list just as I say it off list. Have
Paul post this whole thread between you and me, I don't care. I stand
by what I say and have no reason or need to back down to you now or
ever........until and when I feel like it.

> You obviously have an agenda to try to tarnish a chapter that has
done tremendous good in our
> communities. Since you're friends with Sumer, little wonder.


Good grief, I don't have the interest or concern to wanna try and whip up an agenda for OR against you or SETAIM. You give me way more credit for being interested than I deserve. LOLOL Besides which, I've heard you've only been involved in "indian things" for just a few years now. By the way, what exactly WAS the starting date of SETAIM?! > As for Sumer's husband, another canard. So says those who don't know facts, only innuendo or.........those who's sole interest is an obssession based on jealousy. PITIFUL, ANIT?!! > Look into the archives of ndn-aim and see how many times Sumer went running to him, having him post > to me onlist, whenever she and I got into an argument.(usually when she got caught lieing) Then you > could speak to his sister Tina, who divides her time between Houston and Louisiana, and confirm the > story about when Sumer left him stranded, and I helped. Or you could speak to his mother, who lives > here in Houston. Both are SETAIM supporters. Both can corroborate the story. Either you never talked > to Jason, and lied, or Sumer did her usual thing, in sending emails to you, posing as Jason. You're > either stupid enough to be duped by her, or willing to lie about anything. Now pay sum danged attenshun, Sugar....I gonna 'splain it wun mor time to ya. I wrote: "That is a direct quote from his lips to my ears." Again, this is why "English Comprehension 101" comes in SO handy. (1) Lipsrefers to mouth, which most people would take as meaning the spoken word. (2) Ears generally means hearing to most people. Therefore, when I specifically use the words lips and ears that's exactly what I meant -not that he typed anything or that Su'mer "pretended" to be her husband by typing something. You say I should ask Jason's mother and/or sister for verification for your claims of helping Jason. First, I'd like to know why I should ask them any damned thing when JASON was the one who was there, experiencing whatever, and is the one saying he DID NOT receive help from you, SETAIM, was never in need of help or on the streets, AND, he DOES NOT know you and does not believe there is a SETAIM. Have ya been payin' sum danged atenshun yet??? So who and/or what really assisted Jason if not you?? Did someone send a donation somewhere for Jason, that might not have gotten where it was supposed to go? Ya might wanna check your "supporters" for their supposed loyalty and/or honesty. Y'all might also wanna clean out the 'taters from yur eers and blow the cobwebs from da brain space! > Anyway, it's in this false statement that you have shown yourself to be a dysfunctional lapdog liar > crony of Sumer. Now your little agenda makes more sense. The next time you try and smear SETAIM, I > won't make the mistake of thinking what you say matters. LOLOL No false statements from me, Kiddo. Please refer back to the beginning of this and a previous email for suggestion that ya take the necessary class for "English Comprehension 101". It'll do wonders for avoiding making assumptions, misunderstandings, and maybe even prevent twisting things to suit a derranged agenda. > Like I said before, it's always humorous when a whitegirl joins an Indian issues list, and it's even more hysterical when fat white men join such a list and try to be the "be all and end all" of all things indian. LMAO > to cast dispersions at Indians who've made sacred committments. I would say see ya around, but since > you'll never be putting your ass on the line for Indian people, I won't. nope, you won't see me standing anywhere near where you might be. I do my best to keep my distance from things that stink. Natural instincts, I guess. But if I were so inclined (which I ain't), I could give you a long list of people from all across the country who know who and what I am and the things I've done. I don't gotta brag on myself. Others do that for me when appropriate. > Also, having spoken with several subscribers and moderators on the ndn-aim list recently, it's clear > that your posts are viewed with about as much credibility as the other looney tune white folks, > desperate to be, or associate, with real Indians. Or in other words, about as much credibility as > Sumer had. Have a nice day- > > Lawrence Whoopie and bullie for you for talking to subscribers and the moderators. I am impressed. NOT!! I guess maybe you're expecting that I should slink away in the corner and cry 'cause you and those you forward these emails to those who don't like me. Waaaaahhhh ROTFLMAO You are PITIFUL, jest PITIFUL! ANIT?!!!!! Now I again ask you to quit being a pest. Quit writing to me about nonsense. If it can be even fairly intelligent, I'd consider a conversation with you.....but otherwise, I jest ain't interested. Know whut I mean??? The day was spectacular, as always! Had a great one, thanks. Donna > Donna wrote: > > > What part of "I don't want to be bothered with your inane diatribes" > > don't you comprehend? What > > part of "English Comprehension 101" did you miss? > > > > But since you insist on writing, I will again try and explain things to > > you, though it seems I > > will be spitting into the wind and jousting with windmills (AKA a waste > > of time). > > > > There was no dishonesty regarding Jason's posts. I read that he simply > > asked for her contact > > information - nothing more, nothing less. It was another who made an > > issue out of it - namely > > YOU. As I posted on the list to Jason earlier, and am copying and > > pasting for your benefit, > > > > "It was obvious to me that no one confused your adding "SETAIM" after > > your name with meaning that > > you somehow represent or speak for it. Nor do I believe anyone thought > > you ever said southeast > > Texas AIM could or would do anything for the woman in Houston. I believe > > most of us knew you were > > speaking only for/of/about yourself. I'm glad that has finally been > > straightened out!" > > > > And as I wrote to you previously......posting it here again for your > > benefit: > > > > "> > > ........ was only commenting on what was brought up ON the list. > > > > > The same thing that happened to Candy also happened to me - re: your offlist > > > > > email about not being directly consulted when NO ONE mentioned YOUR NAME!!!! > > > > > hmmmm....wait! Did Dodie refer to you directly or was that Jason?" > > > > Now how was I or anyone else "dishonest"? And since YOU brought up > > Su'mer again (and by the way, > > I take the reference as a compliment), I thought I'd let you know that I > > had the opportunity to > > ask Su'mer's husband Jason directly about your claim to have kept him > > off the streets and helped > > him when he was out in California a couple of years ago. He said he > > doesn't know you, has never > > been on the street, never received any help from you or SETAIM, or any > > AIM for that > > matter........AND, as far as he's concerned, there is no SETAIM. That is > > a direct quote from his > > lips to my ears. > > > > Now.......finally, in regards to your request for a donation for "indian > > people in need": First > > let me start by saying I don't take kindly to being treated rudely and > > then being asked in the > > same breath for a contribution. Secondly, it's not that your sending > > clothes to Shiprock isn't > > important enough, it's simply that I have learned that I do not trust > > you or those who you allow > > to speak for you. The clothes I collect and send go to two different > > reservations........so I am > > doing my part, thank you. > > > > I don't need your approval, permission, or acknowledgement to do the > > right thing. I also do not > > care what you think of me......I thought I'd already made that clear. > > You can say what you want > > about me.........to quote you, "It speaks volumes about your character". > > > > It was a beautifully great day over here in the mountains, thank you. I > > hope your days are drier > > than they have been. > > Donna > > > > Lawrence Sampson wrote: > > > > > After further review.... > > > > > > Having spoken with Jason, it seems a little dishonesty was also at work by you and your nutty > > > buddies. Jason never offered to help this woman in Houston. He merely asked for clarification > > > as to what the situation was, and what sort of help the woman needed. Therefore, the > > > insinuation that SETAIM or it's supporters were doing nothing were inaccurate, to say the > > > least. You sound more like Sumer everyday. > > > > > > By the way, in between all your sniping at Indian people for what we're doing in our > > > communities, you might consider sending some donations. We're taking about two tons of new > > > clothes to Shiprock, New Mexico next week, for Indian people in need. This will be our second > > > such trip in six months. Not bad for some dumb ole Indians who apparently need guidance from > > > white girls who like slumming. Have a nice day- > > > > > > Lawrence > > > > > > Donna wrote: > > > > > > > Believe it or not, I haven't read this diatribe and most likely I won't.......as I could > > > > care less what you think, feel, see, say, do, etc. in regards to me. -) > > > > If it really mattered in the grand scheme of things, perhaps then it would be important to > > > > "play" but as I see it, I have better things to do with my time that continue with this. > > > > > > > > "Just do the work" > > > > > > > > see ya, > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > Lawrence Sampson wrote: > > > > > > > > > Okay ding dong, I'll respond since you think you have a right to ask questions of > > > > > those who obviously have spent a lifetime working for people. Your arrogance is > > > > > astounding, but not inconsistent with the dominant society's long standing racist > > > > > down-the-nose look at Indian people. The things you don't know would amaze you. > > > > > > > > > > First off, thank you for acknowledging that this woman does not need the sort of help > > > > > we generally are geared to provide. As for her "being Cherokee" that remains to be > > > > > seen. You white people love to claim that. If she indeed is, she hasn't been around > > > > > the community at all. I know this, of course, because we have members and supporters > > > > > involved in all areas of our community. If some who are associated with SETAIM offered > > > > > to help, but didn't, then that's something I will look into. But knowing the character > > > > > of our people, I'm sure there is an explanation that will make sense. To us Indians > > > > > anyway. > > > > > > > > > > Your ignorant statement about the phones is fairly revealing. Go back and do what is > > > > > easiest and most convenient for you, as that is all your kind understands: Read the > > > > > last few editions of the Houston Chronicle. Phone service in and out of Houston was > > > > > affected, but still available in some capacity. Phone service across Houston was > > > > > almost non-existent for several days. Most cell phone service is still down. > > > > > > > > > > As for when all this started, I cannot speak, as I am not on the list where you and > > > > > your nutty buddies like to try and tarnish SETAIM. I do know that as of Tuesday, we > > > > > had a lot going on, taking care of safety concerns. I myself was out of town from > > > > > Tuesday till Saturday. > > > > > > > > > > One day, maybe, you will realize just how amazingly stupid most of your comments have > > > > > been towards me. You so easily jump into an arena out of convenient guilt, while those > > > > > of us who have been in this struggle for a lifetime know what the real issues are. You > > > > > talk of things you know nothing or very little about, while those of us that have made > > > > > sacred committments and sacrifices for our people, go about quietly doing the work. Of > > > > > course you don't know what I'm talking about, as a non-Indian, who arrogantly assumes, > > > > > as have your ancestors, that you actually know everything. How fortunate we are that > > > > > you have come to save the day, and cast dispersions. One day, like I said, maybe > > > > > you'll get a handle on who it is you're talking to, and the things I, and we, have > > > > > done. When was the last time your life was on the line for others? I would assume, > > > > > never. When was the last time you drove thousands of miles to deliver medicince, > > > > > clothes, or food? I would assume, never. This is done with regularity in this chapter. > > > > > And then some whining little bitch like yourself, who thinks she knows something, > > > > > wants to cast dispersions. You're pathetic. This isn't some part time gig for us, one > > > > > that we can walk away to live in our white picket fence life and forget about the > > > > > inconveniences of our struggle. It's the real deal, white girl. > > > > > > > > > > As for tender toes, being offended, etc.. On your best day, little girl, you couldn't > > > > > affect me any more than nat. Your comments are about as useful as pissing in the wind. > > > > > I commend you for your phone call. I'm sure it was tough. Perhaps, while we're taking > > > > > the three thousand pounds of clothes we are taking to New Mexico this week, your snot > > > > > nosed little arrogant attitude may pop into my head. It's a long drive, I might need a > > > > > good laugh. > > > > > > > > > > Lawrence > > > > > > > > > > Donna wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > again.....if your toes are feeling tender, then keep them out of the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW...the woman IS cherokee. Regardless of what the issue or situation is, either > > > > > > you, SETAIM, "joe-blow" down the block, or me, can help or not - excuses don't > > > > > > mean a damn when you're struggling and needing help. As I said, I don't think > > > > > > SETAIM could help -meaning it's probably outside the scope of what SETAIM claims > > > > > > to do (providing clothes, food, and whatever other "assistance", although food > > > > > > might be one of the things the woman could use a little of soon). > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it has been raining a lot there since Friday afternoon - today is Sunday. > > > > > > What prevented a simple phone call between Monday and Friday? Apparently even now > > > > > > the phone lines are in working order for long distance calls and emails from the > > > > > > Houston area, huh? I DID call although I didn't first announce it on the list. I > > > > > > had a few ideas of how to help and she and I discussed the viablity of the ideas, > > > > > > along with some of her own (and those from another person). I can send a small > > > > > > monitary donation even though it would be a drop in the bucket for what she needs. > > > > > > I can help check for resources where she might find help but I can't make the > > > > > > people or agencies help her. > > > > > > > > > > > > Besides feel offended (which when the shoe doesn't fit, why try to cram it on your > > > > > > foot?!), what have you actually done? > > > > > > > > > > > > This "non-indian", as you say (which after the last round of off-list emails > > > > > > between us where you felt offended because the lighting made you look too white in > > > > > > the 3 or 4 year-old photo of SETAIM members, I don't think I'd be tossing that > > > > > > issue around too much), was only commenting on what was brought up ON the list. > > > > > > The same thing that happened to Candy also happened to me - re: your offlist > > > > > > email about not being directly consulted when NO ONE mentioned YOUR NAME!!!! > > > > > > hmmmm....wait! Did Dodie refer to you directly or was that Jason? There is nothing > > > > > > "divisive" about asking why people who CLAIMED they were going to make contact > > > > > > DIDN'T. That's what's commonly known as "following up". People's undies got in a > > > > > > wad over it which leads me to suspect they ain't doing what they CLAIM to be > > > > > > doing. Huh?! (or meh'bee I should be-a sayin' "ennit"? to sound more authentic? > > > > > > LOL) > > > > > > > > > > > > What you do and don't do isn't important to me. You can make excuses all day long > > > > > > about where you've been and what you might have been doing to prevent you from > > > > > > making a phone call. In case you missed it, I "did pick up the 'flag' and run with > > > > > > it". I actually called the woman myself. I never made claims about providing help > > > > > > and making such claims is not something I'd do publically any damned way. I'd > > > > > > simply DO IT (you know, as in "just do the work"). But I'll guaran-damn-tee if I > > > > > > say I did it, people know it was done. > > > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: ".........Otherwise, you're just another in a long line of whining > > > > > > little bitches. Further, it seems a lot more time, energy, and effort has been > > > > > > spent attacking, than lending assistance to a person who claims she needs help. > > > > > > But, hey, that's a lot more convenient and entertaining, than doing the work, > > > > > > ennit?" > > > > > > > > > > > > LMAO Yup, I called - you haven't. Now who is wasting time and effort whinning and > > > > > > bitching?! But feeling self-righteous anger for being called on the carpet is a > > > > > > lot easier than simply accepting that nothing was done, biting the bullet and > > > > > > accepting the facts of the matter..........and then DOING SOMETHING. Eh? So if > > > > > > pointing out truths makes some of us "bitches", what do they call men who do > > > > > > nothing but pitch fits, throw temper-tantrums, and get deffensive when called on > > > > > > the carpet for sticking their noses in where it didn't belong in the first place? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Statement of intent" is one thing. ACTIONS are another. You can state your > > > > > > "intents" all you want. You can beef them up and brand them on your chest. It > > > > > > doesn't mean diddly. Either do something or don't. Let those you help do the > > > > > > bragging for you. And quit jumping people when they're simply asking questions to > > > > > > follow things up. Plain and simple. Really, this isn't a personality contest; > > > > > > it's simply pointing out the failure to do what was claimed would be done. > > > > > > > > > > > > Back the truck up and remove your toes from where the tires will be rolling to > > > > > > prevent them from being sore. I decided not to send this to the list, to continue > > > > > > it in public. Enough is enough. The bullshit is beyond tiresome and no one is > > > > > > fooled. > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > Lawrence Sampson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Bullshit is getting tiresome".... > > > > > > > Yes, it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see, from what I gather, it's posted that a woman in Houston needs help. > > > > > > > A woman in Houston that apparently has a problem, not generally of the type to > > > > > > > be addressed by an AIM chapter. In short, not an Indian issue. That's the way > > > > > > > it looks to me, at this point in time. Anyway, some local supporters and > > > > > > > members offered to help, and that's great. Apparently, they didn't act in a > > > > > > > short enough time period to please others. Okay.... petty, but no big deal. > > > > > > > Then, SETAIM is challenged publicly, on list, for not helping. When I went > > > > > > > directly to the person publicly challenging SETAIM, this person again posts, > > > > > > > onlist, not back to me directly, about being "attacked". Now, this drivel > > > > > > > comes to me-again, from a non-Indian. This is all so small minded, I'm having > > > > > > > to stifle a huge, hiccupping laugh. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I again state that from what I have ascertained, (and yes, I could be wrong) > > > > > > > this is not the sort of issue chapters like ours normally addresses. Of > > > > > > > course, as a co-founder and long term member of SETAIM, I tend to be a little > > > > > > > more outspoken, and well-known member of SETAIM, yet no one contacted myself. > > > > > > > I'm sure that was simple oversight. I can't speak intelligently of who offered > > > > > > > to help, and how long it took to call. I can say, that unless you've been in > > > > > > > an ice cave on the polar cap, you know that we in Houston have had our hands > > > > > > > full since Tuesday evening, just living, eating, and breathing, with power > > > > > > > outages, flooded homes, and downed phone lines. Calling across Houston has > > > > > > > been harder than calling from Houston to Katmandu. Check out the last few > > > > > > > issues of the Houston Chronicle if you want confirmation of that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I find interesting, indeed a little humorous, is the sudden impulse, by > > > > > > > what appears to be non-Indians, subscribed to an Indian issues list, to demean > > > > > > > a chapter that has become fairly well known for feeding, clothing, and > > > > > > > protecting INDIAN people all over north america. Particularly enlightening > > > > > > > since it began immediately upon my exodus from the list. It appears > > > > > > > calculated. It appears, at first glance, to be opportunistic cowards, doing > > > > > > > divisive work. It's easy to cast dispersions when you're a do-nothing, > > > > > > > non-Indian expert on the issues. It's always been that way, I guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it's testiment to our long list of successful missions, that many > > > > > > > expect us to be all things, to all people, at all times. But of course, we are > > > > > > > human, with limited resources, and limited time to do what needs to be done. > > > > > > > This last week, taking care of our families and our immediate community has > > > > > > > taken priority over addressing non-Indian issues. I returned from an out of > > > > > > > town business trip, to begin making whatever calls I could get to go thru, > > > > > > > either on land lines or cell phone, to ensure members of the Indian community > > > > > > > have been safe and dry. Sorry if those living in other areas of the country, > > > > > > > deem this as somehow abrogating our responsibilities. Actually, no, I'm not. I > > > > > > > really couldn't give a shit less. If you're not happy with the work others are > > > > > > > doing, god damn it, pick up the flag and run with it. Otherwise, you're just > > > > > > > another in a long line of whining little bitches. Further, it seems a lot more > > > > > > > time, energy, and effort has been spent attacking, than lending assistance to > > > > > > > a person who claims she needs help. But, hey, that's a lot more convenient and > > > > > > > entertaining, than doing the work, ennit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A last thought: The subject line of this post is "walk your talk or shut up". > > > > > > > While I won't go overboard responding to this sophomoric challenge by a > > > > > > > non-Indian, I will offer the following: Go to SETAIM.com, and read our > > > > > > > statement of intent. Hopefully, that will alleviate the apparent confusion > > > > > > > some have, over our stated mission. It is in this stated mission that we have > > > > > > > been exemplary. Of course you wouldn't know this, unless you have been to > > > > > > > places like Big Mountain, San Carlos, Southern Mexico, Pine Ridge, Lame Deer, > > > > > > > etc. ad infinitum. SETAIM has, repeatedly. Like all people of action, we > > > > > > > endure the sniping from those on the lunatic fringe, who know next to nothing > > > > > > > and do even less. Before you start challenging people on what they do or don't > > > > > > > do, you should know what you're babbling about. Have a nice day- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lawrence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Donna wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh for crying out loud!!!! In posting about another issue where people > > > > > > > > needed help, a message was included that a woman in Houston also needed > > > > > > > > help. I saw at least 2 people respond, asking that the info be sent to > > > > > > > > them. That was at least several days ago, if not almost one week ago > > > > > > > > (Monday or Tuesay, the 4th or 5th)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I called and spoke with the woman my ownself last night for about 2 > > > > > > > > hours. She's facing some problems and is feeling overwhelmed and rather > > > > > > > > depressed about her life at the moment. In discussing things, I mentioned > > > > > > > > the offers from several people to check on her and see what's going on. > > > > > > > > She was curious to know who'd asked 'cause she has NOT heard from > > > > > > > > anyone.....aside from Candy, who first posted that there was a woman in > > > > > > > > Houston needing help. I told her that to the best of my knowledge, Jason > > > > > > > > of SETAIM and Dodie had written saying they wanted her contact info to > > > > > > > > possibly be of help..........and then I also told her that Lawrence > > > > > > > > Sampson had blasted Candy for not contacting him directly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For those of you who get each and every message, you will see that this > > > > > > > > email is also going DIRECTLY to Lawrence, so NO ONE can accuse me of > > > > > > > > talking behind his back and he can't email me asking why I didn't contact > > > > > > > > him directly ( as he did regarding the Yolanada issue.......which like > > > > > > > > this issue, no one mentioned HIM directly or indirectly!!! Because > > > > > > > > "SETAIM" is mentioned, he takes it as a direct comment to him. JASON > > > > > > > > associates himself with SETAIM..........but if SETAIM equals Lawrence > > > > > > > > Sampson, then perhaps Lawrence needs to discuss this with Jason so the > > > > > > > > rest of us will quit getting our asses jumped for simply responding to > > > > > > > > Jason and/or Dodie.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, it was 1:30 am (Sunday morning) here on the east coast when the > > > > > > > > woman and I finally hung up. Even after a day of emails complaining that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) people work and are alleged not to be on-line all day > > > > > > > > (2) someone needs to contact them directly when there was no damned reason > > > > > > > > to be contacted directly when another posts an alleged association with > > > > > > > > SETAIM, not to mention Dodie sends things to Lawrence, as she's said > > > > > > > > (3) people say they'd do one thing PUBLICALLY and then when asked about > > > > > > > > it, get defensive > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the fact remains that none of the people getting defensive had bothered to > > > > > > > > call. And truthfully, I don't think there's anything SETAIM can do for the > > > > > > > > woman. Among other things, she is needing financial assistance, of that > > > > > > > > there's no doubt........but she does NOT want to ask anyone for money. In > > > > > > > > talking with me, she did NOT ask for it but it was abundantly clear it is > > > > > > > > needed. Of course, many need financial help these days and many more are > > > > > > > > going to be needing financial help as Bush continues to drag the economy > > > > > > > > (among other things) down the drain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IF you can help, IF you WANT to help.......that's wonderful. If you can't, > > > > > > > > for whatever the reason or excuse, then don't trouble yourself about it. > > > > > > > > Sometimes, just a sympathetic ear can be the best help. BUT.......before > > > > > > > > you start blasting people, at least have the legs to stand on!! Put your > > > > > > > > mouth and feet where your fingers are (walk and talk what you type about). > > > > > > > > I know I'm gonna get blasted for speaking up but I don't care. Truth is > > > > > > > > truth and if it hurts, you need to think about why it hurts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better good could be done by simply doing what you claim you're going to > > > > > > > > do instead of blasting people for asking why something hadn't been done > > > > > > > > yet. This bullshit is getting tiresome. > > > > > > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dodie wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wrote Lawrence telling him you had posted a few days ago for help for > > > > > > > > > the woman. Then today stated she had not been contacted and was anyone > > > > > > > > > going to, on the list, rather than writing one of us off list to see > > > > > > > > > where things stood or if there had been any problem on contacting her. I > > > > > > > > > asked him if he could call her today and if not I would as soon as you > > > > > > > > > sent the contact info to me. You seem to forget some people are not on > > > > > > > > > the computer everyday, so it could be awhile before we get the contact > > > > > > > > > info, which is why I asked this morning for it again. > > > > > > > > > It guess he took it the same way quite a few people took it. > > > > > > > > > Dodie > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:12 PM > > > > > > > > > Subject: [ndn-aim] Fwd: resolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this is totally uncalled for if any of the people i already sent > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > woman's information to want to share it with this guy go ahead cause > > > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > > > > extremely obvious that someone is forwarding him posts from the > > > > > > > > > list.since > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > was already stated that he had unsubbed. > > > > > > > > > > Candy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/9/2001 4:28:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > > > > > > > lsampson@s... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subj: resolution > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 6/9/2001 4:28:42 PM Pacific Daylight Time > > > > > > > > > > > From: lsampson@s... (Lawrence Sampson) > > > > > > > > > > > To: crowscandy@a... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite the fact that I am easily reachable, some > > > > > > > > > > > seem to want to post disparaging remarks about > > > > > > > > > > > myself, or SETAIM, on internet lists, in lieu of > > > > > > > > > > > addressing myself, or the chapter directly. It's > > > > > > > > > > > the usual cowardly bullshit, cyber Indians like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > engage in. If true resolution was sought, if > > > > > > > > > > > helping people was was really the goal, instead of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shit disturbing, you could have contacted me > > > > > > > > > > > directly. In any event, if indeed there is someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Houston needing assistance, and he or she has > > > > > > > > > > > been unable to contact us, give me her info and I > > > > > > > > > > > will look into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lawrence Sampson > > > > > > > > > > > director- > > > > > > > > > > > South East Texas > > > > > > > > > > > American Indian Movement
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